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  • #13624
    WonderSlug
    WonderSlug
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    Kingdom Death: Monster 1.5

    So, here we are…

    24 hours left in the campaign for the highest grossing boardgame ever on Kickstarter, and not one single mention of this game at the Esoteric headquarters. What gives!?

    I know the style (boobs and murder porn) isn’t for everyone, but I’m really excited by the campaign. And saddened. Saddened that I don’t have multi thousands of dollars to drop on all the extra bits. I’m backing at the poor man’s $350 level for the base game and “gambler’s box.”

    Anyway, what’s everyone’s thoughts about this game? I’ve got two friends/acquaintances who’ve played and love the original version of the game, and it’s nice to get another stab at it after missing the first Kickstarter.


    #13625

    Universal Head
    Keymaster

    I made a conscious decision to not get involved with this one. Years ago, when I had more time, I’d probably have been interested by the kind of micro-managing this game appears to require, but I just can’t be bothered with it all these days, it’s too much of a time-sink.

    Also, I don’t like the cost and the amount of waiting time for delivery.

    But mainly, the designer’s style just doesn’t appeal to me. I’m not a prude in the slightest, but I find this particularly genre of wide-eyed hyper-sexualised schoolgirl figures demeaning and puerile. Yes, I know it’s anime influenced, but I don’t like anime either, and particularly that sexual aspect of anime and manga. That stuff all seems uncomfortably obsessive, childish, misogynist and fixated on tits and bums and tiny underwear to me. That’s not the kind of fantasy I’m interested in having in my games!

    So it all adds up to no interest from me. Though from the huge success of the game, I seem to be in a minority.


    Universal Head Grand Master of the Esoteric Order of Gamers

    #13626

    The8thPagan
    Participant

    Too expensive. Too long to wait. Basically a bug fix for earlier version of game. Not interested.

    We briefly discussed in another KS thread I think.


    #13627

    Universal Head
    Keymaster

    Over 12 million bucks. Truly unbelievable. Ever feel out of touch with the zeitgeist?


    Universal Head Grand Master of the Esoteric Order of Gamers

    #13628

    The8thPagan
    Participant

    I know. 12 million and no commitment to produce any product for years.

    I’d be off to a non-extradition country and enjoying my retirement.

    Can’t believe $350 is the cheap end of the scale. Not paid that much for a game in one go.


    #13630

    briscoe999
    Participant

    Normally price does not turn me off in thinking about purchasing a game.
    But between the astronomically high price, the long wait it will take to receive the game and the intricate models that would need to be put together – I am out on this one.

    I cannot believe how much money it it has raked in though on the KS!!


    #13631
    Jack Romeo
    Jack Romeo
    Participant

    The core game has an estimated delivery Summer 2017.

    Scantly clad pinups are related concept art pieces that can be bought and collected in addition to the game. None are included in neither the core box nor any of the expansions, and they don’t have any gameplay value. From reading much of the press surrounding the game you’d think they were core to the experience, but this is simply a case of misrepresenting the game for clickbait value by taking a small element and blowing it out of proportions. There are lots of things to dislike, but whoever told you the game came with schoolgirl figures were about as accurate as Donald Trump on abortions.


    #13632

    The8thPagan
    Participant

    It’s not just the porn. The miniatures look a bit naff and far too much assembly required. Especially in a stupidly expensive core game.

    Looks like the kind of game that teenage boys play in a dark room.


    #13633
    Jack Romeo
    Jack Romeo
    Participant

    I wish. These days kids all play LoL and Overwatch. This looks more like classical art, and plays like a misanthropic fever dream.


    #13634

    Universal Head
    Keymaster

    Well, whether they’re in the core game or not, they’re there and part of the designer’s artistic style and philosophy, and it’s a style I find myself unwilling to support. Also from reviews I’ve seen the book has plenty of art in the same vein.

    Again, I’m not shutting down anyone who likes that kind of thing, I’m not a prude in the slightest. I personally just find it silly, a bit misogynist, and somewhat puerile. As I do the anime and manga art in the same style, while recognising that’s only a small subsection of anime and manga.


    Universal Head Grand Master of the Esoteric Order of Gamers

    #13646

    CK Lai
    Participant

    Besides the cost*, another aspect that really discourages me from this game is the need to assemble the minis. I’ve seen the minis as some of my friends actually bought the KDM 1.0 Kickstarter. I will say the minis will delight hobbyists because from a production aspect, they are excellent, (especially when painted) but extremely fiddly to assemble with zero assembly instructions provided.

    Nowadays, for my boardgames, I much prefer my minis pre-assembled. Also, the need to have a long term, persistent campaign is where KDM shines. And I don’t have the time to invest in those type of games any more.

    Whether one likes the look and esthetics of the minis is, of course, up to the individual 😉

    * Cost again being dependent on the individual. As an example, for the price of the base KDM game, I got my Conan King Pledge plus a ton of add-ons and expansions and Stretch Goals… but it’s all again dependent on what each person wants/desires.


    #13647
    WonderSlug
    WonderSlug
    Participant

    Well jeez. Make me feel like a demented perv, why don’t ya? 😉

    Nah. I totally get that it isn’t for everyone, and respect that as a reason to not support the product. I didn’t back the first game for many of the reasons you guys have listed here. On top of that, everything in the first KS was at such an early level of prototype I genuinely doubted the creator’s ability to turn an actual product out of it all.

    Since then, multiple friends who bought the game have raved about the gameplay and the quality of the minis, and none of them to my knowledge bought any of the “extra” more erotic figures. I don’t see a reality where I could comfortably have the “pinup” miniatures on my painting desk for any amount of time. From a gameplay standpoint alone, this is something that I’ve wanted since they started telling me about it.

    And I like the art. My wife always scoffs at my somewhat darker sense of humor, and some of the things I find enjoyable (no innuendo here. I mean movies, art, etc.) The art in this package, which I will 100% completely admit is dirty, misogynist, and somewhat puerile, appeals to me. I’m not going to pleasure myself to it. Let’s not be silly. I just like that sort of darker, twisted, “push the limits” sort of stuff that’s going to make 90% of the people who see it uncomfortable. I always have. I somewhat recently learned my mom is into the same types of things…I blame her.

    I’ve got two young daughters, ages four and seven. I will not be able to let them look at the contents of this box for many many many…many many many (is this enough? nah) many many many years. That aspect of it isn’t lost on me at all. I will likely not get the minis all assembled and/or painted for a long time. That aspect is also not lost on me. I like this as a package, as a piece of gaming art, and the idea of having this as a project for many years to come makes me happy, and if I get to play it a few times, even better.

    And as for fiddly minis….I play Infinity. I’m ready. LOL


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